June 27, 2022

Holocaust Denial: Chapter Two

Holocaust Denial: Chapter Two

In this episode your preceptors revisit Holocaust Denial. They dive into the history books, review the numbers and the Nuremberg Trials. Join the society as they wrap up this 2 part series and kick off season 6.
If you have any questions or topics you'd ...

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We are going to be capping off our research project on Holocaust denial. We will be exploring some of the facts of World War II and the Holocaust. The Nazis rise to power, the psychology to becoming a Nazi sympathizer. Some information on Adolph Hitler, as well as Hemrick, Himmler, and other terrifying leaders of the party.
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All right? Yes. Well, boys, What Say You, Let's get back at it. For those of you that remember we did chapter one of the Holocaust Denial, and this is chapter two, so we're gonna dive right back into it. Here's a little recap. Way back in January in our [00:05:00] 41st debriefing, the start of season five, we covered the definition in history of Holocaust denial or Holocaust revisionism, the major viewpoints of Why some people believe that the Holocaust never happened or was a completely inaccurate portrayal of how it's written in the history books.
We also tapped into some of the methods of how people were systematically put to death, some of the counter arguments, we talked about the crematoriums themselves, as well as all the prejudices that make up judeophobia. And hate towards the Jewish population. And of course, how could we forget Henry Ford's antisemitic bullshit and the protocols of the elders of Zion.
Can you imagine somebody knocking on your door and handing you out? Jehovah's Witnesses, They come up to your door. Ah, hey, uh, do you have a moment? Are you, are you busy right now?  Um, I'm watching Dateline and drinking a beer, but yeah, I got a couple hours. Why don't you come inside [00:06:00] and then they just hand you a pamphlet of the protocols of the elders of zion
I think it's important that we glance at a brief history of how Jewish people were treated and expelled from every single area they've lived in throughout history. We all know that they were obviously exiled from Alexandria and Egypt and the 400 s BC as well as in the 200 s where they were booted from Carthage
In the sixth century, they were kicked out of France and just a hundred years later from Spain in the late 11 hundreds, they were exiled from Rome, and additionally, they had to wear a badge. Sounds familiar. In the 13th century, King Edward accused them of counterfeiting money. In creating coin scandals.
Additionally, Hungary and Poland pass laws to deny Jewish people to hold political positions. They were also banished from England, Italy, Germany, and surprisingly over a hundred thousand were murdered in Bavaria, as well as being expelled from Switzerland and [00:07:00] Spain. So essentially, that's a Holocaust, right?
I'd say so, yeah. A hundred thousand. And specifically from 1492 to 1727, most European countries rided their populations of Jewish people, even during the 18 hundreds and the great state of Tennessee. Mind you, a lot of these statistics were from the protocols of Zion. So I have to ask you both why of this continuation throughout all of history, why were they exiled from Alexandria in the first place?
Because that's kind of where it started, right? I would say probably because the center of knowledge at that time, if you're talking about maybe the Library of Alexandria, it must go farther back in history than that. Cuz when you're looking at Egypt itself, they were essentially what agonistic religious culture, kind of like Rome and Greece.
They had multiple gods for multiple things and Judaism is not. But when did Judaism switch [00:08:00] from what it originally is? Please forgive me, I'm not a professional in religious history, but when the Christian aspect came involved is really, I think when you really start to see that persecution, cuz Rome making them wear badges, that's post.
Christ correct in in a certain aspect. Hmm. Before and after. Yeah. It's kind of odd to look at how they were pushed out of pretty much everywhere, and that is a good question. Why is that? What about their religion or about their beliefs was so outside of the norm? And maybe you're right, Maybe that monotheistic religious aspect of it clashed with all of those polytheistic beliefs back then, especially in Egypt.
It's a very interesting thing and it's very sad for an entire history of people to never really belong anywhere. And when they finally do feel like they [00:09:00] belong somewhere, they go and they get ousted. It's not just a World War II thing, it's not just a Holocaust thing. It's the entire history of these.
Yeah. Cuz in our first episode we talked about the prejudices and that went back very deep in history. Some of the things that people thought and the beliefs, and I think a lot of it kind of is based off of fear. If you're afraid of another group of people or a certain type of people, you're generally gonna hold that type of prejudice.
So there must have been some either inherent fear of them or, or they're just lower. I, I don't underst. What would cause them to be exiled from everywhere and not be able to hold political positions, have to wear badges. There was something that every one of these cultures, pretty much everywhere was against or had animosity towards.
Yeah. Look back at some of the things that we talked about in episode one of this where they believed them to be less than human, pretty [00:10:00] much, and believe that they were eating children or drinking the blood of children, and that carried on and it kind of makes me wonder if that carried into maybe some cue thoughts.
When you start talking about Pizzagate and you talk about the harvesting of blood of children. Is that a continuation of that hatred towards the Jewish people? Because if you look at the top brass of h. In particular, you have a lot of Jewish people, Jewish producers, directors, anything like that, actors.
So I wonder if that prejudice did carry through throughout the ages and now the cue movement is kind of that updated version of the Oh, they're putting blood in their ma, the children's blood is in their ma. That's an interesting look on it. I wouldn't have thought of that. Yeah, I think if it's, If it is Q, they are at the lowest point, the most [00:11:00] infantile point of what the actual belief system is.
You see it so much, and I don't want to divert often, but I have a quick story that I saw not too long ago here in California when I was out was at Costco and somebody said the K word to somebody, Klondike. It may be very sad hearing that. Yeah, racism is very much alive and well in the world, but especially in America.
Well, moving forward, let's crack open the official docket and take a look at the facts. Prior to the outbreak of the German Great Depression in 1929 and 1930, a group known as the National Socialist German Workers Party. That's mouthful. You can boil it down to just calling them Nazis was on the far right of the German political spectrum.
Yes. And you have to take an account that Germany was in hard times in the early thirties and the global economic downturn had taken a heavy toll on the [00:12:00] country and millions of people were out of employment. Millions of others joined the unemployed due to their loss of industry and military, as well as Germany's national shame following the loss of World War I.
The Nazis promised to restore German cultural values. They wanted to overturn the treaty of resize terms and counter the imagined threat of a communist insurrection. They also wanted to bring jobs back to the German people and restore Germany to its quote rightful place as a respected world power.
Also they would like to restore the full Aryan race. Now, I'm not one for maybe drawing correlations, but listening to what was just said about Germany during a recession in the 1920s and early thirties. Does that sound familiar to me? Make America great again. Make America great again. . Is that what you're talking about?
That's where we're going. Yeah, that's where I'm [00:13:00] going. And you gotta think about it. You take a country that is in turmoil with a group of people that is failing. Pretty much everything is going down the tubes. Life seems very bleak. And then you have another group that you can blame it on, and you can say, Yeah, if these people weren't here, then imagine how amazing we could be and imagine how great we could be.
And this country is going down the tubes because of those people. So it's like passing the buck onto an entire race of people. Or an entire group of people to take the blame off of any wrongdoings that you may have done to your own country or to yourself. Yeah, except the difference is, is that your own government's not creating it.
In the 1920s, Hitler and other Nazi propagandists were extremely effective in channeling the populace's despair, their paranoia, which ultimately led to the horrors administered to the Jewish populations, [00:14:00] as well as the communists social Democrats, and those whom the Nazis deemed guilty for signing. Both the November, 1918 Armas and the Treaty of Versai, Hitler and other Nazi speakers meticulously tailored their speeches for each individual audience when speaking to business people, for example, the Nazis minimized antisemitism and instead stressed anti-communism and the restoration of German territories lost or pushing economic gains.
Isn't that wild? Let's not talk about that list. Not talk about that. Not here, not now. It's kind of a tactic that continues to this day is you do tailor your speeches to a specific group or to specific people. So there are these massive, massive correlations between an in economic downturn in Germany and what was to rise to power in the 1930s and what [00:15:00] we saw coming into the 2020s or a little before, you have this group of people that is very already feeling like shit for what's going on in their country and how they feel.
And then you have a group of people or a person coming in and giving the speech of exactly what they want to hear when they wanna hear it. And then they go to a different group and they give them a, an entirely different speech again, telling them what they wanna hear, when they wanna hear it. So that's how you take over a fucking country.
Interestingly enough, when talking to soldiers, veterans, and other nationalist groups, they stressed military expansion. When talking to farmers in the northern part of the state, they were told that the Nazi administration would fix plummeting crop prices. Not to mention new territory, like we said before.
And on the 30th of January in 1933, President Hindenberg appointed Adolf Hitler as Chancellor [00:16:00] of Germany, and that's really. when Shit hit the fan. Just to go back, I know this isn't exactly what we were correlating the similarities to, but it reminds me of the whole fracking ordeal that happened in the past election run when we had President Biden going to one speech and saying that we're not gonna frack fracking's, not gonna be a thing anymore, a green New deal.
And then he would go to a fracking state and be like, Ah, that's rev up frack, just pulling in the votes from different demographics. Depending on what you're saying. We're not doing fracking. So is that contributing to gas prices or is there something else there? Oh, there's something else there. Yeah, that's for another episode.
Stay tuned. How did an Austrian born Hitler serving as a Lance corporal in the German army during World War I become one of the most brutal dictators. Interesting question. I think we just set the precedent [00:17:00] for it. In 1919, he joined the German Workers Party, the predecessor of the Nazi party, and was named Nazi party leader.
Two years later in 1921, Hitler was imprisoned for five years after attempting to gain governmental authority in a failed coup in Munich in 1923. During his time in the penitentiary, he wrote his political manifesto, Mind Comp or My Struggle. He then acquired Widespread support after his release in 1924 by advocating pan journalism antisemitism and anti-communism through a charismatic charade of Nazi propaganda.
I mean, he, He could talk. Can't that man? It seems like he's screaming. Maybe he doesn't talk. Maybe he just screams and yells. Maybe that was his thing, but would it be more off putting if he was very calm? When he was [00:18:00] talking about like killing Jews and restoring the Aryan race in Germany back to its greatness.
Well, no, you wouldn't have pulled in the masses. He was a part of the group of people that had that angst and anger for what happened to his country and he wasn't even born in that country, so that's a little weird. He had angst and hatred and he took it to the top level that he could possibly get.
Think about it. At the time these guys were dressed up as like boy scouts, so he just wanted to be part of the club, but their club was onto some mean things. I'm still a little bit confused as to how Hitler's come up, right. Throughout his speeches and screaming how antisemitism was connected to restoring the country.
I haven't really like put that together yet. So a lot of that was based in. Seeing the Jewish population in Germany and Austria and surrounding [00:19:00] countries doing well in whatever ventures they were a part of, and that is kind of spurring this hatred in the blame game of, well, if they're doing well and were not doing as well, then they must be doing something to harm us, or they must be doing something that is causing us to fail.
Okay. That's a big part of it is, is having that ability to tell the German people, It's not our fault, It's obviously the fault of these people. And being able to pass that plane and being able to redirect people's hatred in people's anger really towards an enemy. Look at any country that has a military or any country that has any kind of propaganda, America included.
We love to create a villain. because that is what you do. Things go wrong. You don't take accountability for these things. [00:20:00] Look at our presidents, Look at our politicians. They never turn around and say, This was our fault. This is what we did wrong. They turn around and they say, Well, this country is to blame China's, to blame.
Russia is to blame Putins, to blame North Korea, whatever it may be. They wanna point a finger at someone else. Oh, it was my predecessor. My predecessor did this. The entire cabinet of people that surrounded the leadership created these problems. It's definitely a move, a political move that is made throughout all of history.
Nobody takes accountability for anything because you'll see that the people that take accountability for doing something wrong and taking the fault they end up in the galls or on the guillotine or wherever. The history always comes down on those righteous people who take. And take accountability for what they did.
But Hitler and the Nazi party definitely had it all nailed [00:21:00] down and in his own mind, the Jewish people were. The ones to blame. It's kind of similar to the build the wall thing that people are harping about. Blame the Mexicans because they're stealing our jobs. Well, what jobs are they stealing? Picking strawberries in a farm into the central Valley of California, or working in brutally hot kitchens in anywhere in the country.
I could never understand that also. But that again is the pointing the finger thing, because you need to create a villain. You need to create someone that is the fault of all the wrongdoings, the fault of everything that's going terribly, terribly wrong. In your economy, in your country, in your socioeconomic plan, you have someone to blame.
Mexico is an easy one. Yeah. What are you gonna do? You can't blame Canadians. Canadians aren't jumping the border in droves. So what do you do? Oh, we have an influx of Mexican people. Coming over the border [00:22:00] and they're coming to take our jobs. It's like the, you know, the famous line, they're taking our jobs, that type of thing.
They're, but like Dave said, what jobs are they taking of yours? You're not gonna go out there and work for $6 an hour and work in the beating hot sun in California, Texas working tobacco fields or working fruit fields or vegetable fields or whatever it may be. You're not gonna go into a kitchen and work for 15 hours a day for $9 an hour under the table.
You're not going in and seeing a doctor. A Mexican doctor walks in and he goes, Hey, you know, I'm illegal, but I know what I'm doing. Immediately you're thinking, Oh, well I guess he took an American job, . It's, it's, that's not the way that it's, it's funny too, cause it's always from somebody who like is a cashier at seven 11.
Nothing wrong with being a cashier at seven 11, but it's always that person that's like, Man, they're coming to take my job. Like they're not. They're really not. You're still here. Right? Hiller, [00:23:00] regularly accused world capitalism and communism of being part of a Jewish plot to take over the world. Much like we just mentioned.
After years of broadcasting the Nazi rhetoric, the Nazis began relocating Jews in Poland and other surrounding countries to segregated areas of cities, ghettos, as we previously mentioned, or to concentration camps, FEMA camps. FEMA camps, FEMA camps, FEMA camps. Have you guys ever seen video or photographs of ghettos, Polish ghettos and German ghettos.
Crazy stuff. They were packed in there and living kind of in squalor. They were not treated well in those areas at all. No. It was definitely very underprivileged communities. It was dirty Buildings were not up to code, I'm sure of it. It wasn't a nice, Oh, the problems was, is that they. Were just regular, normal people and they were stripped of everything, had everything taken away.
So imagine living in your apartment block [00:24:00] and everybody that lives there gets shoved into two apartments and there's 25 apartments in there, and all your belongings were taken away. What was life like after the implementation of these ghettos? And I really don't understand how people can argue that the Holocaust didn't happen or something like this didn't happen when you just said there's photographic evidence and video to support that.
There was something going on, at least in Germany, in Poland, in their cities. As Mike said, ghetto life was terrible, Overcrowding was widespread, and a single apartment may house multiple families. Is this where we get the word ghetto? I believe so. It's gotta be, Should we look it up? It's gotta be. Where did that word come from?
Let's look it up. You're thinking 1930s. When was the use of the word ghetto before the 1930s? Dave's looking it up, Dave, get it. The name ghetto, probably derived from an iron foundry [00:25:00] in the neighborhood that was first used in Venice in 1516. In that year, an area for Jewish settlement was set aside, shut off from the rest of the city and provided with Christian Watchman it became the model for the ghettos in Italy.
Yes. Holy shit. Hulings. I don't know how many of you knew the origins of the word ghetto, but yeah, it definitely goes back that far and used in the same exact way, an area that was quarantining Jewish people. I wonder at what point it made the switch to not represent an area that was. specifically for quarantining Jewish people, and you know, it's now the modern day ghetto.
When did it make that switch? Yeah. It had to become a kind of generalized word at some point for just an area that had a large population packed into a small area. Plumbing in the [00:26:00] ghettos failed quickly as human waste was dumped on the streets, along with trash diseases spread quickly in such cramp filthy quarters, and people were starving to death.
The Germans purposefully starved the locals, only allowing them to buy just a tiny amount of bread, potatoes, and lard. What are you making with that? It's probably a banging ass stew. I don't know. Yeah, definitely a stew. You got large potatoes, bread, potato pudding, dipping bread. Tens of thousands of people perished in the ghettos.
Children were orphaned every single day, and with no utilities like heat, the winters proved even more deadly. As many froze to death. For example, children in the Warsaw Ghetto would even crawl through tiny holes in the ghetto wall to sneak food to their family. That is fucking sad. Smugglers who were detected were harshly punished and most frequently killed.
This is depicted in the film, The [00:27:00] pianist. Is it the pianist or is it pianist? The pianist. The what? The pianist. The pianist. Pianist. Pianist with Adrian Brody. A person who plays a P pianist. Yeah. Pian. You're saying, Am I saying it wrong? You're saying pianist, Pianist. Pianist. Right. All right, fair enough. In that movie, there's a little kid who was bringing food into like a sewer hole, like five inch by five inch or something like that, I think might have been bigger.
I think he was trying to climb five inch. How small was this kid? My memory's mis is mistaken. It, it was probably 12 inches by like eight inches or something, and this kid was trying to get through it and he got caught and pulled through and I'm not sure if he died in the movie, but I, I, I think he did and they showed some of that brutal aspect of that.
If you really wanna see the, the Hollywood representation of it, that movie has a lot of historical. You watched it? Yeah. And it has Adrian Broan and it has Adrian Broan. I actually own it. The Germans ordered the formation of a [00:28:00] ghetto in the northeastern portion of lads on February 8th in 1940. Over 160,000 Jews, or more than third of lads', total population are confined to a tiny portion of the city.
And on January 16th, 1942, about 7,000 Jews were taken to Chau and murdered. In July and August, the majority of the surviving ghetto population was transported to the Auschwitz Birkenau death camp. Unfortunately, the lads ghetto was purposefully eliminated. Hitler had designated over 70 camps immediately after becoming chancellor in 1933.
So this was his plan from the beginning? Yeah, like right out of the gate 70 camps. So you're talking from 1933. Because it jump, We jumped to 1940, so in seven years all this was taking place before even the majority of [00:29:00] when the Americans actually broke into World War ii, which was very late in the war.
Mm-hmm. , which is I think of what a lot of people's history remembers of once the Americans are there. This was all happening, but I think we failed to realize that for 10 years this was going on and there's so many dates to go through that it was nauseating. So you had to kind of pick and choose which ones were very big population centers, cuz a lot of these other ones were very small movement throughout the years, and a lot of it was to build the German war machine in labor camps.
I do wonder at what point in Hitler's mind or in the general Nazi plan, was it to kill the Jewish population? At what point? I can't imagine that it was always the plan. If you look at the ghettos in retrospect, you can look at them as kind of holding centers or holding areas [00:30:00] until these camps are built.
But let's say even before he became Chancellor, back when he was just a normal Joe Schmo, what turned that switch for Hitler in his head that he said, You know what would make a better Germany is if we got rid of all the Jewish people. But not even to say, Let's get rid of all the Jewish people to go a step further.
Let's eliminate all the Jewish people. Let's exterminate Jewish people. Because you could go and you could do what every country and every civilization has done with the Jewish population since apparently the beginning of time. And just boot them. You could say, Get out. Mm-hmm. . But at what point does he look at it and say, Well, we're not gonna.
Kick them out. We're not gonna exile them, we're just gonna kill them. I can't help but feel like the answer to your question might be hinted at, if not fully explained in mind comp. And I'm not a Nazi sympathizer, nor [00:31:00] do I care enough about Hitler's struggle to read mind comp. But in that book, there might be some of those answers.
You know, you have to remember too, he's not the only one. He had a left shoulder and a right shoulder. He had other leaders of individual parties within the Nazi party itself. Like you had Heimer Hier and Joseph Gerel, like those guys were psychopaths. And those guys could have definitely pushed, especially Gus and Himler for sure.
Himler was a sick fuck and I. Having a lot of people like that, you're gonna get that support to push this agenda. Between 1933 and 1945, like we just said, Nazi Germany and its allies established more than 44,000 camps and other incarceration sites, including the ghettos. The number of prisoners in 1933 to 1934 is difficult to determine, but it [00:32:00] is estimated at around 50,000 with arrests perhaps exceeding a hundred thousand.
Heinrich Kimler made Theodore Ike, the second commander of Doc, How, which served as a model for the other camps. Ike wrote the disciplinary and penal Code, a manual that outlined harsh punishments for disobedient inmates. DACA was a brutal camp. I feel like everybody gets really caught up with Auschwitz and Beau Daka was the third big bad camp that seems to not get as much light.
And like Mike just said it, it served as sort of a model camp that they'd use that to kind of format their other camps. It, it was a nasty place. That's a lot of the argument for Holocaust revisionism is, Oh, this didn't happen at Auschwitz. There wasn't gas chambers, or there wasn't this, or there wasn't that, but it's like 44,000 sites.
Yeah. It's hard to keep track at that point. Yeah. You're, you're focusing on one. [00:33:00] I think that was the biggest one. And like Frank said, it's the one that people really hyper focus. As a side thought that I just had, now I remember in high school and maybe my history teacher, uh, was very in depth when it came to World War II teaching, but he told us, and I'm not sure if this is true, but he told us that Hitler went a step further when he was assigning his commanders, his leadership.
So he said that what Hitler would do is he would assign a known rapist to lead the women's camps or to be in charge of the women's camps, and he would get a known pedophile to lead the children's camps and so on and so forth. I guess in a sick way, assigning them their special. I don't know how true that is.
I would like to look further [00:34:00] into that just to see if that holds any water. When he told us that, I remember just being absolutely blown away, like on top of the way that you're treating these people the way that you're torturing them and killing them and destroying them, you are adding this other level of savagery to it to really tear them apart as humans before you end their lives.
If that holds any truth or if any of you know if that holds a new truth, please let us know. But that right there, I mean, I wouldn't put it past Hitler. I wouldn't put it past the Nazi party to do something like that, to assign those roles, but that right there is just like an extra makes your skin crawl type of thing.
I've never heard of that. I, I can't see how that would serve any sort of efficiency. Like these camps were essentially, there were death camps. So yeah, maybe in the sense of [00:35:00] savagery and trying to make them suffer for being who they were, I guess that would serve a purpose. But the purpose of the camp was to like eradicate them.
So adding that suffering before death. I don't really get it. But like you said, I wouldn't put it past them. No, I wouldn't. I'm not sure if we mentioned it in the first one. . There's also like hospitals and orphanages and other medical buildings where the nurses were forced to basically test things on kids.
Mm-hmm. , starve kids and do all this awful stuff to people. Experimentation in hospitals. It's strange and horrible shit. That's kind of the story of like Joseph Mangalo, Right. That evil fucking doctor. But yeah, you bring up a great point is that it wasn't always just the camp. That these things were happening and there were these ghettos that still did exist, and there were the hospitals and [00:36:00] there were these different outposts in different places.
So that amount of human suffering and torture that they had to go through in so many different places and across so many different countries and land that Germany had taken over. But when you take it as a whole, if you look beyond Auschwitz and Beau and Dau and any of the camps, the zoomed out look at it is even worse than what you're taught and what you know, learning in high school.
Yeah, and here's where the numbers get a little odd. In November of 1936, Camps and their prisoners rose to 7,750. By the end of 3 37, the number of prisoners began to rise once more. There was an initial pop, and then it just trickled maybe to make it look like they're not committing war crimes and they're just going through [00:37:00] poverty in those countries.
And by the end of June in 1938, the prisoner population had more than tripled in the previous six months by reaching 24,000 inmates. So my question is, are these additions? I would think that they are additions, mostly because if you think about the plan of ghettos and the building of camps, now think by 1940, a few years later, mm-hmm.
Hitler had already had 70 of these camps. In a couple years, those camps will be fully built and operational, so you just ramp up the number of prisoners that you're taking and ramp up the number of people that you're taking into custody, pretty much in preparation for sending them to these camps. Yeah.
You needed a population to build them. Right. In August of 1939, we were [00:38:00] looking at about 21,000 inmates, and then in 1942 it had reached up to 80,000. The number of prisoners had more than tripled. This expansion was fueled by the demand for forced labor and later by the Soviet union's. . See, so that number increase is, like you said, for the forced labor because at this point we're deep into the war, and now we're looking for that slave labor essentially to provide help for the military actions.
And also you wanna ramp up those numbers and ramp up those prisoners and ramp up the death tolls in those camps. Because I would imagine at some point, especially by 1942, with the involvement of the different countries that were involved in the world wars and how things were progressing, that Germany may have seen an end to this.
You're [00:39:00] seeing the finish line here, for lack of a better term, and you ramp up those numbers to see what you can get out of it before it's all said and done. Let's get into some of the theories by the revisionists because. They're pretty wild, and you gotta know what they're talking about. One theory is that the gas chambers were changed over to bomb shelters or office space by the Germans, but then the Russians came in and rebuilt the entire internal components to make it look like the Germans had gas chambers, which is absolutely insane.
Bonkers. That's crazy. At the height of the deportations in 1943 to 1944, an average of 6,000 Jews were gassed each day at Auschwitz. Geez. So that's 2.1 million people in one. That's a staggering number. 365 days. Yeah. And again, look at the timeline. 1943. [00:40:00] 1944. So now we're getting towards the end of the war.
Yep. So those numbers are jumping, as we said in 1942, and now they're jumping again. a year, two years later. The one thing that gets me about this whole gas chamber argument, or even the crematorium argument, I believe we spoke about it in chapter one, where we talked about, well, there was many mass graves, but what about the piles and piles and piles of belongings?
You see the pictures of 10 foot high piles of glasses or shoes and hats and wrist watches and clothing, toys, you know, suitcases emptied. You just see everybody's one suitcase that they were told to bring with them. Mm-hmm. emptied. out in piles. Well, why were they holding on to all of that? They had no issues with burning thousands and thousands of bodies at a time.
Why are they taking the glasses and shoes off of people? They probably repurposed everything. [00:41:00] You know? They probably recycled it down and used it towards their German war machine making MP 44 s out of shoes. . . But they didn't. Realistically, like if you look at even the memorials or the Holocaust Museum at Auschwitz, they still have piles and piles of shoes and they show you, I think they put 'em in some sort of structure that's built with wood and chicken wire, and they just pile 'em and pile 'em and pile 'em up.
Yeah, it looks almost like a zoo enclosure. You know, Frank brings up a good question. Why would you keep that stuff around? It's. Necessarily like a war trophy type of thing, or a, We're getting a joy out of seeing piles and piles of this stuff around the camps. Like what is the reasoning for that? They're not gonna have Nazi soldiers who need shoes and boots and stuff just come and pick out of these piles of children's shoes.
So what is the point and purpose of keeping these things around? If [00:42:00] you're going to put people into gas chambers and strip them naked and take their clothing and take their shoes and take all that stuff, and that's another thing. Why are you stripping them down? What would be the purpose if you're just gonna end up burning those bodies anyway?
Maybe it was a war trophy thing though. Maybe they did have all of this stuff. Like, look at what we're doing. Look at how much we've accomplished. Look at all of these people's possessions that these possessions no longer have owners. It could have been. I don't see why. That's a really weird thought process.
They took everything. So the stuff that was in piles and piles and piles that was left over like shoes or glasses was just things that weren't of value. So tho those other things were used and repurposed. Imagine a pile of pocket watches made outta gold. You think they didn't steal those like those were used?
Pocket watch is Sure. But we're talking about like shoes. Yeah. Well add glasses. Hats. Yeah. I guess the, What are you doing with that? Yeah. I don't know. Hmm. [00:43:00] Hulings will return after this. Short message. Greetings, astronauts. Put on your best suit, Throw your sunglasses on. Join the boys. As we investigate the CIA and their involvement in the drug trade, we explore all of the regions and countries they were operating in.
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Welcome back to the Hush Hush Society Conspiracy Hour. We have some approximate death tolls from camps. The Bulker said to be from Auschwitz, which originally was at 4 million, but now claimed to be 1.2 million [00:44:00] by revisionist. Officially 3.2 million from Poland, 1.5 million from Russia, and 530,000 from Romania, approximately 250,000 from Czechoslovakia.
195,000 in Germany, 5,000 Bulgarians, 1000 Norwegians, 1500 Danish, and this all took place over the course of four years of mass killings, approximately 5.7 million. Yet the common number is 6 million, as we're told, we're proposed during the allegations of the Nuremberg trials, as opposed to the belief of 1.2 million from most proponents of the denial.
Does it matter that it's 1.2 million versus 6 million? Yeah. It matters also the claim that there weren't enough Jews in Europe to create these statistics. Hmm. I don't know about [00:45:00] that. I'd say no. So how do they know that? How do they know that? That's what I'm wonder. . So you're trying to say that there weren't more than 1.2 million Jews in Europe at the time of World War ii.
That doesn't make sense. It just doesn't make sense and it definitely matters. 1.2 million people as opposed to 6 million people is a stark difference. But 1.2 million people is still a lot of people. Not to put down the numbers, so like let's look at population rise. If you're looking at the Jewish population of America in 2019, there were roughly 7 million Jews in America, and that's a rise in population as opposed to around 1945.
You're seeing like 570,000 roughly as a population of Jewish in America. Around World War ii. Well, did we see a spike after World War II of the Jewish population in America? I would assume, yes. Well, we're talking death tolls in [00:46:00] general. I don't think we're talking specifically about Jews, and this isn't to back up the revisionist statistics or they're standing on the topic, but maybe wasn't enough Jews in Europe at the time to create a death toll of 6 million, but they weren't only killing Jews, and we need to take that into account.
Maybe there wasn't enough. Maybe there was. Who's to say? I don't know. I haven't looked into it necessarily. But even if there wasn't, they weren't only killing Jewish. . They were killing homosexuals. They were killing people of different ethnicities that they didn't consider handicap killing people that were handicapped.
Gypsies was a big population communists. Anything that wasn't ary and German. So looking at it, mm-hmm. , in pre World War ii, the Jewish population of Europe was estimated to be around 9 million. There were definitely enough Jewish population in Europe to get those numbers. That's off [00:47:00] official census data.
Mm-hmm. , where's the argument? All right, let's move on. There have been some studies, and this is pretty shocking. The conference on Jewish material claims against Germany, or known as the Claims Conference, says they performed a 50 state study in America and get this. 43% of Americans know that Adolph Hitler became Chancellor of Germany through a democratic political process that's less than half of this country.
I don't know how many people took this poll. Yeah, it could be like eight people. Yeah, could have been like 150 people, but realistically, that's actually kind of high. That's higher than I would imagine Americans would get. Really? I don't hold too much hope for Americans lately. So if you didn't know the answer to that, and somebody in a suit comes up to you with a survey and they're like, Did you know that Adolph Hitler became chancellor through good old democracy?
They just, eh. Yeah. Yeah. [00:48:00] What if it was multiple choice, though? Leave it up to chance, I guess. How many of those 43% know what a chancellor is? . , right? Yeah, that's true too. Who 45% know that approximately 6 million were killed in the Holocaust. I also have to say they, I think they did a study for younger kids now, and these kids, they don't even know about this.
This isn't even mentioned. That's another thing that's actually really surprising to me, and I'm not sure. Why it's happening. But from what I've heard, kids nowadays are not being taught about the Holocaust. There are entire populations of children that are going through their entire school years, K through 12, and not learning about the Holocaust.
I learned very, very minimally about the Holocaust, and keep in mind, I didn't really pay attention in school, but I remember the section of time and it [00:49:00] was actually in seventh grade and they taught us an English class. We learned in English about the Holocaust. It was probably a couple of weeks of education, maybe two or three weeks, and they topped it off with us watching the Boy in the Stripe pajamas.
And that was like the end of the Holocaust knowledge that we were presented. Everything and anything that I know about this, I learned like outside of regular curriculum. Fronk is part of that, that younger generation, they laid out 6 million Jews, Adolph Hitler, Auschwitz, and then we watched the Boy in the Stripe pajamas and that was it.
And that could contribute as to why most people think that all of these deaths happened at Auschwitz. Yeah. So I wonder how many of these revisionist of the Holocaust deniers are from that same generation of people. Gen Z, maybe late millennial. Cuz I know [00:50:00] personally, I'm obviously older than Fronk but I know personally going through high school, I was very fortunate to have really great history teachers in the schools that I went to.
And they really dove deep into World War II and the Holocaust and everything that happened around that time. I know that I got a pretty in detail lesson about. This timeframe and this period. I don't know if I was an outlier in the way that I learned about that, but I would imagine if my generation or the people in my age group that were going through high school at the same time, if we all got that same information, it seems like between that gap of when I went to school and when Fronk went to school, that they just pretty much started to get rid of it.
Now, if you look at the time between when Fronk went to high school and now, Yeah. You know, if they're only teaching him the bullet points [00:51:00] of what happened during the Holocaust, imagine what they're teaching them now. Yeah. It's probably just a blip. It's World War II happened. Hitler was killing Jewish people in Europe.
Yeah. Uh, we learned about it in middle school as well, but I remember in high school, I think World War II took an entire semester. Wow. In some of those classes, because there were so many layers. We learned about what the Italians were doing, what the Germans were doing, what the Russians were doing, and we spent probably three and a half weeks on each subject and definitely touched on the death camps and stuff.
So while we're on the topic of this survey, around three out of 10 Americans are unsure on how many Jews perished during the Holocaust. While one in 10 overestimates the death toll, and 15% believe that 3 million or fewer Jews were killed again, how much of this is just the shrugging of shoulders and picking a random multiple [00:52:00] choice?
I don't know, but still the numbers are scary. 58% believe that there is a potential for another Holocaust in the future. 90% of those polled thought that the Holocaust occurred while 7% were unsure and 3% denied that it had even ever happened. According to the same poll, one of the most worrisome findings is that 11% of respondents believe Jews committed the Holocaust, which rises to 19% in New York, which is the country's highest population of Jews.
If you look at a deeper part of this denial or this revisionism, there is a belief within this that the Jewish people did perpetrate the Holocaust. It was a way for them to garner sympathy from the world population. Which set them up later to [00:53:00] claim land, which sets them up later to go after funds and money from Germany and reparations and all this other types of financial support, which puts them into positions of power, which goes back to what we talked about in the first chapter of this series.
The Jewish cabal is now in charge because of being lifted up by the claims of the Holocaust and being supported with that sympathy, with that support from other people. Yeah. Oh boys. It's time for that paper trail. Now, there is the argument from deniers that there is no documentation at all of the Nazi's involvement in the Holocaust, yet the hammer of justice says otherwise.
Between 1945 and 1949, a total of 13 trials were held in Nuremberg, Germany. The defendants who included Nazi party officials and high ranking military officers, as well as [00:54:00] German businessmen, lawyers, and doctors were all charged with crimes against peace and crimes against humanity. Between November 20th, 1945 and October 1st, 1940 6, 24 people were charged, as well as six Nazi organizations found to be criminal.
One of the indicted men was deemed medically unfit to stand trial, and several others committed suicide before the trial began. Obviously, Hitler and his two top aids, Heinrich Himler and Joseph Gerbers, the world's better for it. Where's the proof they ask during these trials? Great question. While there is no formal documentation, There were documents and they include a wide variety of letters, memos, blueprints, orders, bills, speeches, train schedules, and statistical summaries generated by the ss.
There's [00:55:00] also photographs and photographs by survivors, as well as aerial photography. There's also 3000 tons of documents that were gathered for these Nuremberg trials, and almost none of the defendants on trial denied the existence of systematic murder. Historians have searched for a signed document by Hitler authorizing the final solution, which Holocaust deniers used to, to prove the Holocaust did not occur.
That's kind of asinine really, if you really think about it. Do you really think that Hitler had a memo drawn up and he was like, All right, I'm gonna put my stamp of approval to start. Systematically killing Jews. Who are you handing that into? Exactly. . Yeah, But But even, even more so like you had 70 camps built.
That's undeniable. There were 70 camps. There were [00:56:00] camps built throughout Germany for, and even if you wanna say that, they weren't death camps. Okay. Let's say that they were work camps. Either way they were built. That in itself is proof that you wanted this to happen. If you didn't have Hitler's approval on it, that doesn't mean that it wasn't going to happen either way.
That doesn't take away from the fact that there were still millions of people that were killed at these camps, whether Hill or knew it or not, which he knew, but very weird. Agreed. Such an odd argument though. The signature is not there. It must not have happened. Yeah, Congress didn't approve it, so it never happened.
It's like it doesn't make sense to me. That whole argument doesn't make sense to me. And if he did, you think that they wouldn't have destroyed that in the other stages of the Yeah. I'm sure that also goes along with how many documents and how many things were destroyed by the Nazis, especially knowing that the war was coming to an end, knowing that they were on their [00:57:00] heels against the Allied forces.
How much of that stuff was destroyed? I'm sure just to keep it out of the hands of the allies, I'm sure they cover their tracks. According to Michael Shermer and Alex Groman, Hitler signed a letter on his personal stationary authorizing the extermination of handicapped German citizens in 1939. If he's willing to do that to Germans, he's willing to do that to Jews, which led a German bishop to raise a public outcry over the program, forcing Hitler to mostly abandon it.
As a result, Hitler would've avoided signing any document that required his s. Makes sense. There you go. And that happened in 1939. So you're talking if he's writing the final solution, probably what, in the early thirties, 33 or so. If he's doing something like this in 39, then in 33, this would've happened again too.
I think it's a crap argument. We can't forget the tens of thousands of eyewitnesses [00:58:00] mostly. And unfortunately, the ones who have survived are probably no longer with us, Probably less than a hundred people on this planet that are still alive from that time. And that includes the survivors and the ones who witness the extermination process firsthand.
The perpetrators, like the Nazi leaders, the SS guards and local towns, people around the area. Mm-hmm. , not to mention the nurses and other aides that were working at these camps. Yeah, all of those people were obviously paid off and crisis actors paid by the Jewish cabal. Obviously they're behind it clearly.
And of course there is physical evidence such as Camp Ruins or mass grave sites like Mystery Mike was just talking about even census data as the Jewish population in Europe was around 6 million lower after World War ii. I, I just don't see how you could argue with that, with 2.7 million of those perished at [00:59:00] Auschwitz.
Hmm. I don't know how you can look at that and try to explain that away, because they would say that the census data was altered. All right. What about the camp ruins and the mass graves? Like how do you explain away a Mass grave site? They would just call 'em work camps and they would say that mass graves were people who died of starvation or, uh, were sick.
Okay. Now how is that not a holocaust ? Because people who died of sickness, And disease were not necessarily intentionally killed. They might have been not looked after or taken care of. I'm playing devil's advocate, obviously. Obviously I cannot, I'm not trying to argue for this. I know we have entered the Reddit segment of our debriefing.
For those of you who aren't aware, some of our new listeners, our Reddit section is where we combed through the Reddit pages to find some of the outlandish weird or lesser known conspiracies regarding the subject matter [01:00:00] that we've gone through. In this case, the Holocaust denial. Now we will crack open our Reddit section with a man named David Duke, who is an American white supremacist, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, far right politician, convicted felon, and former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Clue Klux Klan.
He was surprisingly even a member of the Louisiana House of Representatives for the Republican Party from 1989 to 1992. Wasn't Biden good friends with David Duke, or is that Bush, uh, one of the presidents? I, both of them, Many of the presidents. Yeah, but I'm, I'm talking about recently wasnt Biden like friends with one of the very well known Ku Klux Klan leadership?
I'm probably, probably, I don't know. Might be misremembering. That was an interesting little tidbit. In our first chapter, we mentioned that a lot of these white supremacists are not necessarily [01:01:00] uneducated. They're seated in power. And just to see this guy Yep. With all his weird and crappy accolades that comes with them.
He was in the House of Representatives for four years. Where exactly does a grand wizard sit in terms of the Ku Klux Klan? It's pretty high. At the top. Pretty high. Yeah. Not saying that I know the, uh, the leadership tree of the kkk, shouldn't they be known as the kk kk, the Knights of the Ku Klux clan?
Shouldn't it be four Ks? It was a mouthful. It's just one more K. It's the of the, Okay. That ruins. Because you can't be like a of the kkk. They couldn't. It was the education system. They couldn't figure it out. Yeah. There's also the idea that Anne Frank's diary was a forgery written by her father.
Interesting take. I have heard this one before. Yep. Pretty much saying that Anne Frank didn't [01:02:00] exist. I hate to say it. That could be possible. It definitely could be. But either way, in 1975, Richard Harwood and English Holocaust, and I called Ann's diary, a quote, propaganda legend, and just one more fraud, and a whole series of frauds perpetrated in support of the Holocaust legend in the saga of the 6 million.
Wow. Yeah. Seriously. Here's the thing we haven't really said anything about is that in order to be a Holocaust denier, I think you kind of have to be an anti-Semite. Yeah, you have to. Yeah, there there's no, there's no way therein lies the blame game in that kind of like evil take on it where you think that it's being advantageous to Jews and that they're the ones perpetrating this lie.
We mentioned like a couple people in the first chapter that were avid holocaust deniers, and [01:03:00] they also claim that they were not anti-Semites, but it feels like it goes hand in hand very much so. Maybe it goes both ways. Like, all right, so you're an anti-Semite, so you believe that the Holocaust didn't happen, or you start looking into Holocaust denial and you are all of a sudden convinced that the Holocaust and happened and now you're an anti-Semite.
What a journey. I don't know The stages of becoming an antisemite. Oh God. Fred Lauer, who was the guy who aided in advancements of electric chairs. And known Holocaust denier wrote the Lecher report. Prior to writing the report, he traveled to several sites of structures identified as gas chambers. In 1988, he collected samples from walls and ceilings and floors without permission, he used a chisel and hammer to chip and scrape off pieces of the masonry.
Put a dick. Lacher claimed that the relatively low concentration of [01:04:00] cyanide residue measured in his samples of the remains of the Auschwitz gas chambers compared to his samples of the delousing chambers in which clothes were deloused using the same gas, hydrogen cyanide ruled out the possibility that they were used to kill humans.
Although he was unaware that they had been rebuilt entirely. Fred, you're an idiot. Imagine you just have no idea, and they're just like, Fred, it's been rebuilt. Dude. At what point do you turn around and just go? My bad, My bad. Sorry guys. No, no, it was No. All right, boys, let's say you, we get into our final thoughts where we give our final thoughts on Holocaust denial.
Let's start with Declassified Dave. Let us know what you think between chapter one and chapter two as a whole. What do we think about Holocaust denial? [01:05:00] I think that the entire thing is bunch of bullshit. The only thing that you can, I guess, have an argument about in my mind is do we know the exact numbers?
But we've asked the question, What does it matter? People got killed. So for me, I'm not gonna go down the road of being that heavy conspiracy theorist, cuz then that would make me a white supremacist of thinking. None of this ever happened, and I believe that the Holocaust happened and I believe that it was systematic and I don't believe that the Jews caused it.
That's pretty much my final thought. It doesn't make sense to me. Yeah. Following the information that we've seen from chapter one. In chapter two, I will say that a lot of the things that are brought up are paper thin arguments. I, I can't [01:06:00] understand how someone can think that this didn't happen. There's plenty of evidence to support that.
It did happen. There's plenty of evidence to support that. There were, at the very least. 1.2 to 2 million people that were killed. Like Dave said, people were definitely killed. I really can't understand, especially with the witnesses, with the people that have testified that they were there, the survivors, the SS officers that were a part of it that testified against that in the Nuremberg trials and everything that piles up in the category of evidence of a Holocaust.
And like I said, I think that draws back to a very antisemitic place if that's where your argument is coming from. This one for me is not one that I really have to think too much about. Slick Fronk Sanders, give us your final thoughts. Frog's, final [01:07:00] thought. Final thoughts. Holocaust denial. The Holocaust, definitely 100% happened.
And like we said over our second part just now and our first part, sure. Maybe some of the numbers and statistics might not be on point. And to an extent, I think it's okay to question history and to question exactly what we're being taught. I don't think that would directly and immediately make you a white supremacist for looking into this sort of thing.
But if you do look into it and you're presented with the facts and you continue to go down that rabbit hole, you might become a white supremacist. There's no denying it. The camps were built, there was literally railways built for years and years and years that went directly from the ghettos of Poland.
Two concentration camps. These railways had [01:08:00] no other meaning they were bringing people to these camps, and in these camps were mass grave sites or gas chambers. Sure, maybe Hitler didn't sign off on some document, but I don't think that disproves that this had ever happened. The only thing I'm gonna say is I think that I want to look a little bit more into the Anne Frank thing, and I don't think that should be used as a defense that the Holocaust didn't happen.
In saying that Anne Frank possibly never existed and that her book could have been forged by her father, I think that lends to more of a greed thing to her father and that he could have made money off of it somehow. I don't think that the whole Anne Frank diary was fake is lending to the fact that the Holocaust didn't happen.
I just think it might be an interesting little side story within the Holocaust. Holocaust happened and the majority of the deniers, [01:09:00] in my opinion, are most likely white supremacists. There you have at Hulings. Those are our final thoughts, and I think that's gonna conclude our jury duty. On this Holocaust denial episode, was there anything that we missed?
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